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NUS "Comedy Sideshow" Heads for Reform

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Nov 17 2007 12:19
 

The National Union of Students, described as a "comedy sideshow" by ICU President Stephen Brown, is heading for reform, one year after Imperial decided to join.

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Nov 17 2007 20:37
 

What thing's is ICU not supporting in the Review?

The colour scheme is better in that NUS conference picture than that aseptic blue primer adorning the walls in da vinci's at present!

Nov 17 2007 20:37
 

Terrible grammar, sorry!

Nov 18 2007 16:38
 

Yes quite sensible. I have also sent in some proposed amendments, one of which includes the revision of the "two-thirds majority" to remove a trustee to a simple majority. Currently all NUS no-confidences are simple majorities so I don't know why a discredited trustee should hang on to power if they only have 1/3rd support in a dismissal!

So many technical geeky changes I really hope we don't have to speak on each one! It's bad enough trying to jazz up the traditional "constitutional review" into a new-style "governance review"!

Da Vinci's?! ;)

Nov 20 2007 01:57
 

I'm not especially invested with either side in the debate at the moment, but there are a couple of glaring errors in it.

Firstly, the NUS leadership generally states the changes are cost neutral. Some saving might come in the future due to better financial management, but the actual cost of confrencing is static.

Secondly, the idea of zone confrences isn't to take controversial issues out of the annual gathering- rather, the opposite (as stated).

Zones will pass policy that is generally agreed on and uncontroversial. This will allow many issues that factions push down the agenda because they don't care about to get passed.

Controversial matters will be decided at "congress". The concept is that the increased time allowed will improve the standard of debate, resulting in better policy making.

As to the truth of that, I don't think I will comment.

Your amendment covers an area I know a number of us in the North had found problematic, however, so expect additional submissions of it!

Nov 20 2007 09:27
 

Tinter - so after the reforms the - still expensive - NUS Congress will spend all of its time talking about Palestine, rather than none as at the moment?

From reading the governance document I had concluded that such nonsense would be argued in the zone conferences, perhaps being blocked at that level. The main Congress could then talk about useful things such as HE funding and what we really want in that area.

But the opposite is likely to happen?

Nov 22 2007 00:45
 

Well, both those issues would go to congress, but basically yes.

Zones will pass policy for which there is agreement- this has been hinted to be pushed at around 85%. This is intended to allow issues that wouldn't get to confrence passed.

It is also intended to allow longer and more informed debates at congress for controversial issues, such as HE funding, and yes, Palestine.

So I guess you could say the governance review is crafted to allow more time to be spent discussing typically controversial foreign policy.

Certainly the NUS foreign policy committee has not been put under threat- labour students like playing at being cabinet ministers just as much as the left.

Personally, I'm not sure how much confrence policy gets passed with 85% (OMOV will make it easier though, sabs agree more), so I'm not sure how much cutting down of the agenda there will be anyway.

Nov 22 2007 00:50
 

To clarify, policy can be kept out of congress by mustering less than (probably) 15% at zone confrence. However, even though the OMOV system favours centerist sabs, I still don't think many headline issues will be excluded- 15% really isn't that hard.

So, I would personally predict many more and longer debates on these stimulating topics in the future.

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