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# Departments Still Handing Out Poor Degrees

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Live! looks at the Maths and Materials departments, who consistently hand out a low proportion of "Good Honours" degrees.

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It's a great thing that Materials and Maths do not award illl deserved degrees, like many other departments appear to. Surely that means that those who do achieve have a greater worth attached to their degree.

I's be interested in seeing the last years' figures non....?

is that the teaching is poor

Stop whinging about the quality of teaching and teach yourselves like the rest of us do. Students who complain are more often than not the ones who are borderline 2:2 3rds students. The honours students haven't got time to waste complaining cos they're in the library.

Stop trying to get Imperial to lower its standards just cos you are a lazy fag! The reason Imperial is held so high in the employers eyes is because the employer knows you have worked hard to get your 2:1 or 1st and therefore knows you are going to work hard for them.

Anyone who complains about the teaching or the stats around their degrees deserves to fail. Pull your thumb out and work!

stop trying to defend maths. having sat through more than enough years of their departmental c**p it became evident to me that they were only interested in you if you wanted to become an actuary. if you chose to do real maths, such as the maths one was interested in when joining IC, you were basically setting yourself up for failure. the only people who wil defend the retarded way in which the department worked are those who actually liked statistics - which is interesting given that "statistically speaking" when i first saw this headline i thought "there's a 99% probability maths gets mentioned in this artile"

I hate statistics as much as any sane person in the maths department but I feel bob has been unfair, the teaching may not be amazing in the sense that some topics such as topology are introduced too late in the course, but otherwise it's alright.

The fact that maths hasn't succomed to the quantitive easying of degree classes is a good thing, why should Imperial change its ways just for the benefit of the rather backwards method in which the Guardian ranks universities. To refrase the author 'other departments are clearly pushing the average up!'

The maths dept is outrageous. It has one of the highest entry scores (average AAA+, many have 5As) yet also has one of the lowest degree classifications. If they do a mapping between entry A-level grades and graduating degree class you will see that maths is one of the biggest outliner.

Dear "what it means you fool"

Clearly you're just blaming someone other than yourself... It isnt supposed to be easy.. Oxford and Cambridge don't hand out many 1st's either...!

I wouldn't say that is true, with regards to Oxford anyway

when one or two departments are handing out consistently lower degrees, it doesn't mean that maths students are lazy, it obviously points to a problem with the quality of the department

bob could you please explain why you think the department isn't good for those who are not interested in stats.

I intend to an MSc in Pure Maths there and know someone who thinking about doing a straight maths degree at imperial this year and an extra help would be great from someone who has actually experienced it.

From what I heard the pure maths dept is supposed to be really good.

Editor plz change the poll, can we have which event we liked the most or which degree s hardest (materials vs physical science vs life sciences vs engineering) or could we have a pole of the best looking sabb/fu people next year.

now I feel so much better about myself and my 2.2

Seriously mate, search the web for exams from Maths departments in other unis, they're p*** easy (then again I don't know if they have higher pass marks etc but I doubt it). There are only three real maths departments in the UK: Cambridge, Imperial and Warwick!

And I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same in other departments too. I met an Mech/Areo Eng prof who used to teach in IC and MIT and he told me he taught a course in IC over a term but when he was in MIT he taught the same course over the whole year and had to skip out lots of bits!

However one negative side of IC is that it's students love stroking our own ego :P

To be honest, if you compare the math exams with math exams of continental european countries, the British ones seem awfully easy - especially the ones in Pure Maths.

Interesting concept needs to do some research.

Cambridge and Oxford actually give out a higher proportion of 1:1 and 2:1 degrees than average.