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Medic Graduation to be Held in Marquee, Not Albert Hall
The decision to hold the 2009 BSc medic graduation ceremony in a marquee, instead of the Royal Albert Hall, has caused uproar amongst graduands.
As Hannah points out, they'll still get to graduate in the Albert Hall, they'll just have to wait til the end of their studies. Like everyone else does.
At least this way, when they do eventually get there, the ceremony will be that little bit shorter and, hopefully, the urge to spontaneously combust out of sheer boredom won't be as strong.
By the same logic we should put any Scientists/Miners/Engineers in the marquee if they plan on doing a PhD in IC afterwards.
Then again I got my graduation this year and I heard the medics have a tradition of applauding everyone meaning the whole thing takes too long.
Once medics are mainly on the postgraduate course then they will have 2 ceremonies, provided they studied their undergraduate course at Imperial and not elsewhere.
Anything that makes the ceremony shorter is fine by me...
BSc; Joke degrees, do people actually fork out to go to graduation?
The students get to go to the ceremony free of charge. It costs ?20 per ticket for additional tickets for family members - two tickets guaranteed.
We came to Imperial under the misapprehension that we would get to graduate twice at the RAH. I personally find it dispicable and a disappointment that this should have been changed without consulting the students involved. As someone who will gain my BSc next year, for which I fully anticipate working very hard for, I find it insulting that some people see it as a joke. Like any degree it is an achievement and does not deserve to be under-valued!
I'm surprised to have had my status posted on this story but I suppose it doesn't make a huge amount of difference. I'm sure the medics would be just as disgruntled if we started graduating everyone after their BSc/BEng in all the other faculties making the ceremony twice as bloody long! A specialised ceremony on the Queen's Lawn is more than the Engineers or Scientists get after completing their bachelors if they are continuing on to a higher, still undergraduate, qualification. Bring on the onslaught!
What the hell? This is an absolute OUTRAGE. A Bsc is just as good as the other degree and considering some people drop out afterwards this may be all they get - their last memory of imperial will be a stupid joke ceremony under some soggy make shift tent in a blinkin' field.
If this part of the course is not going to be valued as much as other degrees then WHY ARE YOU FORCING US TO DO IT?? Hmmmm? SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!
This better have been sorted by the time I finish my Bsc because if it's not in a proper hall then I won't bother turning up at all. God's sake what's happening you've barely got any traditions to preserve stop getting rid of what you do have.
Hannah is completely spot on.
It's not to do with the value of your degree, it's to do with what you're registered to complete as a degree while you're here. If you're registered on an MBBS, you should have the big fancy graduation at the end of that. If you're registered on an MEng, again you wait the four years until you've finished. If you only want to study to BSc level, that's fine- you get the pomp and circumstance of the Albert Hall when you've finished your degree. The same rules should apply to everyone.
"dispicable"? Ha ha ha.
I don't see why anyone should get two grad ceremonies in one course. Not sure why they're offering the marquee at all - they should simply scrap the luxury, unnecessary intermediate ceremony and save money. (Could probably fund a language course from the savings...)
Hannah I didn't see you boycott your BSc ceremony on the grounds it's too fancy.
"soggy make shift tent in a blinkin' field"
Lol, I'd love to see that quote printed on the marketing material advertising the queens lawn marquees to corporate clients.
14. I think the point is she just wouldn't have winged if it were somewhere less fancy... I'm guessing you knew that and just fancied being mean.
I'd be more than happy for them to scrap the second ceremony if they were to scrap the extra year that goes with it. As it is we spend exactly double the length of time at university as our contemporaries so it seems quite fitting that we should have the two ceremonies in honour of this. Give us some respect for the rigors of our course and our ultimate aim.
I didn't realise medics were around for 8 years these days!
Anyway, I think that to expect respect for the "rigors" of what is probably one of the easier courses at Imperial (academically speaking, not in time spent obviously) goes a long way to explaining why some people are not too upset that the medics will have a separate ceremony.
Especially as every year the medics seem so overwhelmed with just how much harder they've worked than everyone else they insist on clapping every one of their colleagues, thereby adding about an hour to an already boring ceremony...
Since when does spending twice as long to learn half as much warrant extra respect? ;-)
Does spending twice as long also mean that you should have two beds per medic in your halls rooms in honour of this? Or maybe twice the number of meals a day?
On the other hand, if spending double the time at uni would mean you get charged double the income tax rate after graduation, that would be quite fair, I think... ;-)
How ridiculous to suggest that medics learn less than other students, do you live in a hole?
There aren't enough medics backing up each other on this forum, the non medics are certainly giving us a lashing, and it's just not on.
It is simply unfair that in previous years medics have been able to graduate in the RAH for the BSc and for some bizarre reason they can't next year. No proper explanation has been given. If the reason was that medics clap too much, then everyone could be politely told not to do that so much if it meant they could still graduate at the RAH
Those that aren't medics have no idea how it feels when you get to the end of year 4 and you see your scientist friends graduate and earning at least 20k, paying off their student loans whilst you have to endure long hours in hospitals in training and worry about your mounting debt. I can't believe someone here has the cheek to say we don't work hard, we have so much to memorise and being surrounded by illness in hospital is not so good on our emotional well being, that takes a lot of getting used to. Every med student ends up doing at least 1 summer resit and has hurdles to overcome, it is certainly not easy.
I can't believe there are scientists out there that still seem to have a problem with the medics belonging to Imperial. I've made a huge effort to hang out with you guys, in ICU Choir and I feel let down by your nasty comments.
Finally there is a difference between being awarded a BEng after 3 years and a MEng after 4 years (1 year difference) with being awarded a Bsc after 4 years and a MBBS after 6 years (a 2 year gap). We have to study for 4 years before getting a BSc, unlike Oxbridge and UCL where they receive one after 3 years. We already have a lovely halfway house dinner at the end of 3 years and it would be lovely to continue the tradition of having a midway graduation at the RAH what other medics have had before us.
How would you feel if you had something you were looking forward to ripped away from you?
Not trying to be nasty. Was just pointing out that trying to make out medicine is more worthy of respect, difficult etc. than most other courses is probably the reason for the lack of sympathy from students on other courses.
"for some bizarre reason they can't next year. No proper explanation has been given."
I imagine the explanation given (lack of capacity) is a valid one. There doesn't seem any reason for college to go to the extra expense of an additional ceremony otherwise.
"If the reason was that medics clap too much, then everyone could be politely told not to do that so much"
This isn't the reason for the change, it's the reason non-medics aren't so upset about it! Though it's worth mentioning that this is politely requested every year. Every year it is observed by all but the medics. Having talked to medics about this, the excuse is that they've "worked really hard". Because nobody else has of course.
"How would you feel if you had something you were looking forward to ripped away from you?"
That's a little melodramatic don't you think? On the plus side, you'll enjoy your final graduation much more as a result, because you'll approach it in blissful ignorance of just how boring these ceremonies are...
The graduating in a tent thing doesn't bother me as much as the nasty comments written on here.
I'm not saying medicine is more worthy of respect all I said was it's a difficult subject (and not more difficult than whatever) so stop twisting what I say. You all say EEE or Aero are the difficult subjects but medicine is difficult in other ways and you all were being very rude on here about us so I felt I had to step in. If you look at all the posts and on the other forum where there's the worst saying our BSc is not even a proper degree you will soon see what I mean.
Maybe the anger at this story is what caused that medic to violently assault someone on the pub crawl this year. Strange that the Medic's union is happy to comment on pieces that try to get it's message across while desperately trying to smother anything which makes it look bad.
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