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Now I'm a believer - I’d vote Yes!

Nov 14 2006 19:09
Tim Goodwin
President of Edinburgh University Students Association and former NUSceptic Tim Goodwin explains why his opinion changed, and why he now recommends that Imperial students vote Yes.
Tim Goodwin

It's funny to think that a little less than two years ago I was in the middle of a bitter battle with the NUS to 'save' Edinburgh from becoming one of its faceless members, and now I'm writing an article in support of a YES vote. I feel a little bad to be honest, a bit like I’m somehow betraying someone or something, but what really drives me is the knowledge, as a sabbatical, that joining NUS is the right thing to do.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying that NUS is a perfect organisation. There are still faults within the juggernaut that is the National Union. Decision-making can still be dominated by factions, procedures and processes are still bizarrely complex, organisation is still unfeasibly poor, and communication is still not up to scratch. These are all the things that I, as the head of a NO campaign cannily entitled 'Students Against the NUS at Edinburgh' (SANE!), campaigned on.

But what I wasn't really thinking about (or rather, what I was shying away from at the time) was the fact that you can't reform something from the outside. You have to get into something to criticise it. There's absolutely no point in standing on the sidelines shouting about how rubbish something is unless you're prepared to roll up your sleeves and get involved. Yes NUS can be (at times) inefficient and a touch shady. No that doesn't mean we should dump it and move on. NUS is reforming itself. We can only influence that, and make sure it happens, if we are there. If Imperial joins now, you can all play a massive role in reforming our national union. That, of all things, should be a draw.

When I was running the NO camp in Edinburgh we spent a lot of time talking about beer and discounts. I am convinced that the things that really mattered to students during the referendum were beer and discounts. If we joined, would they get cheaper beer? Would they be able to get student rate in clubs back home? Would they get the blessed NUS discount card? But if you ask me now, none of those things really matter.

What does matter is what we are doing as a student movement. The government has scrapped grants and introduced loans, fees and variable fees. This is a hard time for higher education and we must all work together to fight for what is right. It's old, it's cliched, but it’s true: together we are stronger than when we are apart. If we all come together to fight for our rights then we stand a much better chance of winning. If we remain fractured we will get nowhere. That is how the government has trodden on us for so long. We need a national voice, and NUS really is the only show in town.

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1. Ant   
Nov 14 2006 21:16
 

"We need a national voice, and NUS really is the only show in town."

Urrm, that just seems to infer that we should join because theres no other option. If thats the case maybe we should put the £50K+ into getting together with some other like minded SUs and forming a united voice? A voice that focuses on and supports the needs of students in Higher Education even if it means upsetting the political left or possibly those in further education.

2. Tom   
Nov 14 2006 23:08
 

Well, what the f**k do the clubs and societies do anyway with £52k - f**k all. Most of that sum is given to the f**king medics, so surely, that's more of a reason to vote 'yes'.

About 75% of the societies at Imperial are running on low budgets - voting for the NUS will even out this indifference.

3. Ant   
Nov 14 2006 23:30
 

As someone who myself has often been alledged with nonsensical ranting on live! in my time I must admit that your comment makes even less sense as most of mine have.

Please explain how voting yes will send more money to clubs and socs, or even benefit theem?

Nov 15 2006 10:26
 

Funding accross CSCs is actually pretty reasonable, with the medics the third largest (in terms of union grant), but not doing that well in terms of money at the front line (when everything is taken into account).

So no, most of the money is not given to the medics.

To be honest voting for the NUS will make no difference to this what so ever. I've sat in the meetings that decide the money and let me assure you, it will make no difference (unless more money is put into the clubs and socs budget of course, say about £54 000).

Get your facts right.

Loving the 101 reasons to vote for the NUS. After about 20 they start running out of new reasons.

5. John   
Nov 15 2006 17:42
 

So it's pretty clear, NUS = beer belly.

Nov 15 2006 23:32
 

Umm Edinburgh is a classic example of the "change it from the inside" argument that has yet to have nay affect.

Yes the NUS is NOT fit for purpose and Edinburgh's influence is a couple of speeches on fairtrade at NUS National Conference, not ground breaking and not anything they could not of done while still being affilited.

Good thing they pul;led a deal with NUS not to pay thei affiliation fee for the first two years they joined otherwise it would of been a monumental waste of money, for a couple of speeches and NO results for their members!

Nov 16 2006 10:37
 

Oh yeah... the Edinburgh fair trade motions. I remember Tim telling me how important they were for them. Thing is I can't actually remember anything of it. I thought it was all fairly straight-forward non-controversial stuff that no-one was ever going to disagree with. Did they actually say anything profound Andy?

[They may welll have done as I may have been distracted... we in the UCL delegation spent some time agonising over what tack to take in the debate on "killer Coke" later that session.]

Nov 16 2006 17:34
 

So what he's basically saying is that the NUS is rubbish and can Imperial please join it and sort it out because they've tried and failed. Well ICU has obviously impressed them... do we really want to join something and then have to actually get it to do what it's supposed to. We're not renovating a house or restoring a classic car. NUS is not a project to keep us occupied, we have enough to do as it is thank you very much.

Vote NO, ICU is great, leave it alone.

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