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Council Accepts Arif's Apologies

Mar 02 2005 10:57
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Last night, ICU Council eventually voted against a motion of No Confidence in ICU President Mustafa Arif.

An unusually full ICU Council meeting, including members past and present and other observers, convened to consider the motion which alleged gross misconduct on the part of the President and suggested that he should be removed from office.

Arif's response had initially seemed somewhat dismissive, describing the motion as "silliness", leading some to suspect his response would be as "evasive" as they believed his response to the Accountability motion passed by Council in December.

However, in a written response (not yet available online), Arif denied any misconduct and apologised for the lack of communication that had led to such suspicions, saying "I'm not perfect but I do what I can."

Furthermore, he said he welcomed active feedback such as the Union Gym Motion, (at the time described as "childish") and asked that members raise their concerns with him before it reaches the stage of a No Confidence motion, although some of those present suggested that they had already tried this.

By 7.20, it became apparent that the meeting would not be able to reach a conclusion by 7.30, when an MTSoc Tour meeting was booked to take place in the UDH, so Council reconvened in a SAF lecture theatre.

More issues were raised, including allegations of intimidation which cannot be discussed in detail as they involved legal and disciplinary procedings.

Eventually, members had asked all their questions and the meeting considered moving to a vote. At this point two opposing motions were proposed: one from Arif proposing a Roll Call vote (where each member individually states their vote, and the minutes record who voted which way) on the grounds that he had been elected by a College-wide ballot so those overturning that should be accountable to their members, and one from ex-DP(E&W) Katherine McGinn for a Secret Ballot, due to possible intimidation of members who supported the motion. Council voted in favour of the former, which requires only 1/3 support whereas a secret ballot requires a 2/3 majority.

A last-minute suggestion to ammend the motion to a censure was hastily rejected, with a very large number of abstentions suggesting that the option had not been fully explained before it was put to a vote; indeed, in his following summing-up speech for the unamended motion, the motion's proposer Tom Tibbits said that members should consider the explanations given and perhaps a censure would be sufficient, but by this point the ammendment had been rejected, and reversing that decision would have required a 2/3 majority.

When the vote took place, by roll call vote, 8 members voted in fabour, 24 against and 3 abstained, and so the motion fell.

The Council meeting was followed by a brief meeting of the Executive committee, on a related matter that could not be discussed in open session.

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1. H@t   
Mar 02 2005 11:47
 

Hmmm, articles are suddenly changing again.....

Mar 02 2005 12:04
 

My apologies for the loss of comments by various members, the previous statement on this event was a STOP PRESS announcement and is now replaced with a full article, sorry for any inconveniences.

3. Sigh   
Mar 02 2005 12:15
 

So now we know, whenever we want the President to apologise for something he's cocked up all we have to do is to threaten to sack him.

4. Hmmm   
Mar 02 2005 16:09
 

I love the chair's expression in that photo.

5. Bob   
Mar 02 2005 18:55
 

It was all a bit of a farce really. Mustafa got of with no more than a gentle feather tickling and council looked pathetic. I feel sorry for Tom after all the work he put into this (and the comeback he's getting) only to be left emptyhanded. It's a genuine shame that the ammendment to censure wasn't carried. It was bodged though.

On a lighter note did anyone else think Colin's first speech was pretty damn fine? Hats off to you sir!

Mar 02 2005 19:32
 

I wouldn't say empty-handed.

Mustafa's response included both apologies and promises to make changes, which was what people wanted in the first place.

Something more forceful from Council- eg a Censure or a closer result (a near miss being impossible to deliberately vote through in a roll-call situation except by those right at the end, perhaps that's part of the reason for roll-call voting)- might have helped to really hammer the point home, instead this falls even more to a continued effort from Union officers; and it may have been an appropriate reflection on things having to go this far and on previous (in some cases ongoing) responses to such actions; but don't dismiss what IS there, in both the written response and the meeting transcript.

So ridicule Council right now if you like, but then let's concentrate on making sure that all those action points are followed up.

7. Nia   
Mar 02 2005 19:37
 

Here here, Nichola.

8. Bob   
Mar 02 2005 20:38
 

I accept your points and agree that Mustafa's unprecedented apologies were a welcome change. But I am concerned that it isn't strong enough to effect real change.

As many people said at Council the real problem is not with Mustafa but the style our union is being run in and the direction in which it is seen to be heading - i.e. less student control, run more by permanant staff, and I don't believe what happened at Council will send a strong enough message to those in charge at Beit that this shift is not acceptable and not what students want.

Any takers...

9. Seb   
Mar 02 2005 23:38
 

Bob:

Yes, but that is not for us to discuss. It's under SSP.

Mustafa made that decision for us last year. Apprently, as he said last night, it was a matter of political expeidiency whether to take execs recomendation, and he interpreted the constiution as giving him sole powers to decide this new role for staff. As he said last night, of course, this is a regulations problem which he recognises. No matter that it has never been a problem so far, untill he re-interpreted them.

Basically: Too late.

10. Bob   
Mar 03 2005 00:17
 

Seb:

I'm not refering to individual job descriptions more the culture which appears to be emerging. I believe that lies outside the remit of the SSP. We can't change Mustafa's decisions (which may not be that bad anyway) but we do need to be able to influence - not just influence actually: drive, the direction in which our union is heading. We may only be here for 4 years but I believe we - the members - are best placed to decide what is in the interests of srudents.

It's never to late to make something better.

11. Seb   
Mar 03 2005 00:39
 

Sorry, I was being sarcastic.

I agree very much with all your points.

From my perspective, 'tafas decisions have effected permenant change in terms of both the role of permenant staff and in terms of precedent of what sabs can do. This can not be easily over-rulled now, without either a benevolent President "re-reinterpritng" the constitution, or a re-rewrite of the constitution which would probably not get trough. There was a one time opportunity yesterday to effect change from Mustafa's disingenious arguments that he was withing the regs (ignoring the fact that he had interpreted the regs that way). Sadly, it was not used.

12. Bob   
Mar 03 2005 01:07
 

Hmmm...

Maybe if I slept more I'd recognise sarcasm when it bit me on the a**e.

Good night all.

Mar 04 2005 10:44
 

Actually, I take back my last comment, having read Mustafa's latest Felix column. After all that apparent apologising and willingness to listen and change things, he's gone back to calling it silliness and pettiness.

Apparently wanting an accountable Union is just personality-based point scoring.

And there I was, thinking it was a question of upholding fundamental principles! We obviously deserve to be branded senseless and immature...

Mar 04 2005 14:31
 

the bit I found the funniest was when he said "and now we can get back to serving all of you" or something similar. I thought thats why the motion was brought, because he wasn't. He got off and the felix article was more biased than usual.

15. ..   
Mar 04 2005 14:42
 

Actually, I found

"If only to remind us of the climate we now live in, the Government rushed its ‘Prevention of Terrorism' bill through Parliament this week. "

the funniest part.

He's a bright chap, Mr Arif, I can only assume the irony is intended.

Mar 04 2005 22:42
 

Nichola..

Actually, I take back my last comment, having read Mustafa's latest Felix column. After all that apparent apologising and willingness to listen and change things, he's gone back to calling it silliness and pettiness

where did he write this?? BecauseI don't think that I have the same copy of Felix as you!!

17. Seb   
Mar 04 2005 23:40
 

He really does have an ego problem doesn't he?

If his personality is the issue, it is only insofar as his personality has been allowed to override normal procedure.

Mar 05 2005 01:20
 

Well he does quote Henry Kissinger. I wonder who he intends to declare war on next?

Mar 05 2005 10:24
 

Interesting....how exactly did council accept Arif's apology? And which apology are we talking about? According to a Felix! article he apologised 8 times....

Mar 05 2005 11:53
 

Yeah, the felix and live! accounts are quite different. What is the innocent reader to believe?? The 24 for and 8 against perhaps?, pretty clear.

Mar 05 2005 12:41
 

The accounts are not that different. Both explain the charges, the defence and the eventual result.

We interpreted that the defence was necesary on the grounds that several of those who eventually voted against the motion had been among its proposers, making this rather different from the simple outright survival of a confidecne vote seen at the beginning of the year.

Of course there are as many accounts of events as there were people in the room. Those who want complete objectivity will have to wait for the transcript.

22. ..   
Mar 05 2005 13:52
 

"how exactly did council accept Arif's apology?"

By not sacking him?

23. Hmmmm   
Mar 05 2005 16:33
 

8 in favour seems pretty good for the motion given the legal threats, intimidation and bullying that seems to be going on at the moment every time someone dares to criticise the union.

Despite all that, 4 times as many people voted to sack Mustafa Arif as voted to censure Sen Ganesh. http://live.cgcu.net/news/?id=597.

24. ..   
Mar 05 2005 21:04
 

They're not comparable statistics. The whole voting statistics need to be taken into account, the number of abstentions in particular tells a bigger story.

Lies, dammed lies and statistics and all that.

I'm disappointed in you for abusing the stats so frivilously. The arguments at hand are not weak and deserve to not be insulted by such non-science. And at Imperial of all places!

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