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Third Place for Imperial in Times

Jun 03 2009 18:31
Kirsty Patterson
The Times Good University Guide sees Imperial placed at third below Oxford and Cambridge Universities, despite our falling ranking in the Guardian.
Not quite as depressing as the Guardian...

Imperial is once again ranked as the third highest institution in the Times Good University Guide, following Oxford and Cambridge Universities.

Speaking to Live!, Pro Rector (Education) Julia Buckingham, said we should be aiming to reach the top spot. This contradicts Paddy Jackman's opinion, from last week's interview, that it doesn't matter where we are as long as we are in the top ten.

Despite the high placement, Student Satisfaction and the number of 'Good Honours' awarded by the institution is holding Imperial back. Out of the top 25 institutions only Aston and Loughborough are wose than Imperial for awarding 1 and 2:1 degrees with students entering Oxford, often with the same entry level qualifications as Imperial students, 26% more likely to achieve a 2:1 or 1 at the end of their degree. This is echoed in the Guardian League Tables which see Imperial placed at 8th overall with a particularly poor value added score.

Imperial has topped the charts for employability, however, with graduate prospects given 88.4 in comparison to 82.3 at Oxford and 85.5 at Cambridge. This perhaps proves Julia's opinion that employers do value an Imperial degree over our competitors as discussed in an interview available here tomorrow morning.

This year's table sees the first update of RAE data in over seven years. The Times warns that this could see more significant fluctuations in the table to previous years. Ranked out of 7.0 in total, Imperial gains a measley 2.7 in the RAE section of the table however only UCL, Cambridge and Oxford are able to equal or better Imperial's rating.

The Times considers Student Satisfaction and RAE as the most important factors and therfeore the table is weighted to pay more particular attention to these criteria. With no other significant gaps it is clear once again that only student satisfaction and low numbers of Good Honours degrees are holding Imperial back from the top spot. These are two issues that have been persistently brought up this year by the DPEW, Hannah Theodorou, and Guilds AAO, Alex Grisman, who are each passionate about lack of feedback received by students and the recognised quality of an Imperial degree. See what Prof. Julia Buckingham has to say about these issues tomorrow in Live!'s second in a series of interviews Concerning League Tables.

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Discussion about “Third Place for Imperial in Times”

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Jun 03 2009 18:52

Only commies read the Guardian anyway.

2. D.   
Jun 03 2009 19:17

I can't believe they didn't notice that all the tables have a column named "Graduate Prospectus"...

Spelling mistakes aside, I find it crazy that Oxford & Cambridge are giving such high numbers of firsts & 2:1s. Degree classes should be a way for employers to judge the results of a student *relative to the university*. Unfortunately it seems the other top universities don't use this system so we'll probably be forced to follow their lead.

Jun 03 2009 20:34

Clearly this proves that degrees at Imperial are far harder than Oxbridge

4. Dave   
Jun 04 2009 14:01

What are the 1st and 2:1 rates at Oxbridge for comparable subjects?

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