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Erm? ULU “does” represent IC students

Mar 11 2002 20:24
Mustafa Arif
Ms Stephens clarifies a little mis-understanding ? and raises an question over “gingerness”
Here's that photo in a bit more context. The critical word has been gingerly airbrushed out to prevent further problems...

Erm... well. OK, I was being stupid. But when you get a news story like that (and the ICU President is desperate for you to publish it) you tend to be, umm, less thorough, in checking the facts.

Justine Stephens, the President of the University of London Union (ULU) did not actually say that they "do not represent Imperial students". What she actually said was that ULU represents University of London students (and as such represents Imperial) in many issues, and that some of these campaigns end up being national. However, ULU does not, in Ms Stephens' opinion form a substitute for the national representation provided by the NUS.

Ms Stephens also clarified that the objection was not to the use of the picture, but that it was next to a quote about the NUS, which she did not wish to be associated with (as the quote was not anything that had come out of ULU).

While the (ULU) President was explaining all this, it turned out that what she was most upset about was the use of the word "ginger". Ms Stephens suggested that describing her as "the ginger one" was as offensive as describing someone as "the black one" - but that being racist is more of a taboo. Now this does raise an interesting (if you are that way inclined) philosophical question. When does a description of someone become racist? Why is it not offensive for a Pakistanis to call each other "Pakis" (or for blacks to call each other "niggers") when the moment a white person says it they are racist? Is it racist to say that black people are better boxers? Or to say that Chinese people are good at gymnastics? I don't know. Answers in the discussion please!

Incidentally, it was observed by several hacks that Ms Stephens had died her hair and was decidedly less "ginger" than usual when she appeared at today's NUS affiliation debate.

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1. Sunil   
Mar 11 2002 21:29
 

Hey, George W Bush called the Pakistanis "Pakis". Many Indians would agree with his choice of term... :)

Mar 11 2002 21:42
 

Many Indians wouldn't get a question about Hinduism wrong ;-)

Mar 11 2002 22:15
 

Pah!

Surely we all have better things to do than be "PC" :)

And why do German keyboards have the letter z in the place of y!!!!!!

Mar 11 2002 22:18
 

To describe her as 'ginger' would be an insult based on appearance (=bad). However, to describe her as a 'ginger muppet' (as seems to have regrettably become the fashion) is an insult based on LT cards.

Mar 12 2002 01:00
 

Why should describing Ms Stephens as ginger be considered an insult at all? Firstly, it's merely an observation, which she would be hard-pressed to deny, and secondly I personally think that ginger is the most attractive hair colour anyway, so it's more of a compliment.

Mar 12 2002 01:41
 

Personally I go for the ginger/redhead split when discussing this topic. It's an easy definition:

redhead = attractive

ginger = minging

Mar 12 2002 01:50
 

As for everything else, I don't hold with much of this PC stuff. We shouldn't make bland definitions like "it's OK for black people to say this, but white people can't, but on the other hand purple polka-dotted people might get away with it if it's a full moon and the wind's blowing in the right direction". It should be one rule for everyone: If it's offensive to someone, don't say it to them; otherwise it's fine.

Mar 12 2002 02:04
 

Well, as an honorary member of the Knights who say Neee, I find the 6th last word in the previous paragraph offensive, so please refrain from the use thereof. (damn, that was tricky ;o)

9. John   
Mar 12 2002 13:00
 

Doesn't "Paki" roughly translate as "Perfects"? Bizarre how that became an insult.

As a self-appointed moral guardian a good rule, I find, is that no white person should use the word "nigger" and anyone who does is on eggshells.

...and ginger is only an insult if accompanied with "tosser"!

Mar 12 2002 15:58
 

Actually, "Paki" means "pure". But anyway, point made.

Mar 12 2002 20:37
 

I am paki then.

Mar 12 2002 22:51
 

Another comment that could so easily be taken out of context.

Rather like "We're not Holloway - that's unfortunate", as said by an anonymous Sabb at an unnamed UL college...

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