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Aaaaarrggghhh! Noooooo!

Oct 08 2002 01:14
Mustafa Arif
ULU condemn us to being associated with a failed computer company by calling us ‘ICL’.
ICL. Aaaarrghhh! Oh the shame of it...

Look. Let's face it. Commas aren't that important. No-one really cares about them. The key issue with "Imperial College London" is that it lends itself to formulating the abbreviation 'ICL'. To be perfectly frank 'ICL' sucks.

Many people unfamiliar with the computer industry find it difficult to understand the problem with 'ICL'. Well, it's not too bad in itself. The trouble is it used to stand for International Computers Limited. ICL was a British management disaster,3605,589377,00.html. When I used to work in the IT industry ICL was a by-word we used to use for incompetence and general management bureaucracy. (While some uncharitable souls would suggest that that is an accurate assessment of the idiosyncrasies of the Sherfield oligarchy - or indeed, our very own Beit Towers intelligentsia - it's still not something any of us would want Imperial to be associated with.)

The Japanese company Fujitsu tried for many years to turn around ICL after buying it out. It eventually gave up in 2001, when it followed the advice of branding consultants and ditched the ICL brand,4273,4208460,00.html. Shortly thereafter, Fujitsu Services (the former ICL) began to turn the corner - the brand had been that bad.

So there it is. There is a half-decent reason why you should sign that petition. There's a good reason why the ULU staff member who wrote 'ICL' on my membership card peeved me off. And there's a good reason why this viewpoint is shared even by people in the IC Press Office. (One Press Office employee, who shall remain anonymous lest I cost them their job, actually sent me an email of support and described the 'Imperial College London' brand as 'bonkers', reserving special criticism for what they described as the 'reign of terror' on the 'IC' abbreviation.) You'd have thought they'd got everyone singing from the same hymn-sheet before preaching it to all and sundry?

So please, go on. Sign it now.

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Oct 08 2002 10:02
 

Isnt the Imperial College London Brand supposed to take effect from January?

One other reason why this brand is not good - it sounds like we have 'copied' Kings College London, or University College London.

I think the petition needs more publicity if you want to get more of a response (Freshers probably dont even know about it).

Oh - Nice photo mustafa!!! (Just Jokes)

2. Nisa   
Oct 08 2002 11:04
 

Oh dear - the insanity begins....

How many have signed the petition so far?

hmmm..the photo...missing a nose and a few other facial features...

Oct 08 2002 11:32
 

Who completed your card? Surely they copied it from somewhere - most would still say and write "Imperial" or "IC" on ULU cards. Must have been someone with a sense of humour :-) After all, the gossip grape-vine will be a slick machine in ULU this year!

4.  
Oct 08 2002 11:42
 

When I did my ULU card, I just filled it in myself.... are we sure which side Mustafa's on?

Oct 08 2002 12:52
 

It's fine. We'll just start abbreviating ULU to T-O-S-S-E-R-S.

Last time I badmouthed ULU on Live!, the President emailed me and warned me that she'd haul me up in front of the Vice-Chancellor. Ooooh. I'm scared.

Oct 08 2002 17:07
 

When are we getting rid those Mustafa is a geek link? ASAP

Oct 09 2002 00:46
 

Zebedde, as you know I didn't come up with that "Mustafa is a geek" web page. A "friend" from a company I used to work for put it together. It remains high in the link counter because it seems to be a popular site round here :-(

Andy, what are you proposing "TOSSERS" stand for? You must be able to come up with an amusing string of 7 words.

Oct 09 2002 09:30
 

Totally Over-rated Student Services and Educationally Ruinous Sect

Oct 09 2002 11:11
 

Here are a couple that fit,

Talentless Officers Stop Students Enjoying Relevant Services

And one for our own involvment in ULU. Just for Rob who isn't that bad but this fits the phrase

Talentless Officer Stops Students Enjoying Recreational Sports

10. stoic   
Oct 09 2002 16:19
 

stoic managed to get an interview with Mustafa about his views on 'ICL' before this......... go to www.stoictv.com and watch the latest news for a whole segment with the victim himself :)

Oct 09 2002 18:56
 

STOIC guys, why didn't you tell me I needed a hair cut???

12.  
Oct 09 2002 22:43
 

Has anyone seen this about the rebranding -

"The use of 'Imperial' rather than 'ICL' or 'IC' as the abbreviated name for the institution should be actively encouraged"

I've no problem with 'Imperial', but your right, 'ICL' really does suck.

Oct 10 2002 13:07
 

I've no problem with Imperial either. It's what most of normally use when speaking. We only tend to use 'IC' in a written context.

Oct 10 2002 21:50
 

Andy - why did Justine take offence and threaten you with the Vice Chancellor?

And I still can't quite believe that ULU agreed last year to condeming University Careers Service (ULCS - to which IC doesn't subscribe) graduate to paying for careers advice immediately after graduation... shocking. It will be dealt with (indeed I am currently doing this!)

Oct 11 2002 01:56
 

Rob,

Look at these archives from the cgcu-exec mailing list which is carelessly published on the world wide web :-)

[[one]|http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail-archive/cgcu-exec/cgcu-exec-Mar-2002/0020.html], [[two]|http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail-archive/cgcu-exec/cgcu-exec-Mar-2002/0019.html], [[three]|http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail-archive/cgcu-exec/cgcu-exec-Mar-2002/0021.html].

16. Rob   
Oct 11 2002 17:43
 

*rotfl*

Oct 13 2002 13:38
 

Oh, join the club.

Certain notable people who should know better -- mentioning no names; well, not unless you ask nicely :) -- continue to refer to QM as "QMUL"... hey, the College might want to call itself that, but the SU (QMSU, not QMULSU or even SUQMUL -- hey, if you're going to sound like the Holloway scum [but thanks for Brenda!] why not go the whole hog?) shouldn't...

Grrrr.

Oct 13 2002 13:53
 

?

Oct 13 2002 19:27
 

Mr Statto,

Being that you're not a student at IC, and can, at best be an ex-member or life member of ICU or CGCU, why don't you go away and stop posting to this site?

I don't think that union politics at South Ken have all that much impact on you and it appears that you've stopped being coherent.

Oct 13 2002 22:16
 

WTF was all that about?

On second thoughts, I don't want to know.

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