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College plan takeover of Imperial College Union

Jun 12 2003 12:43
Dan L
Live! has learnt that following the failed merger with UCL, college is planning a take over of ICU, which could have huge implications
Will Sen Ganesh, Union President, sign away the union?

A document that Hamish Common, ICU President 00-01, once said was “The most important document in the union”, could be amended at the next ICU council with disastrous consequences. So what is the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) and what does it do?

Basically it is a written agreement between college and the union, as required by law, which governs the entirety of the relationship between the two. At the moment Imperial College Union is a completely separate identity to Imperial College, with separate finances and full control over itself. However plans within the revised MoU that were leaked to Live! yesterday show that this could soon change. Basically the Union could soon lose its independence, which has huge implications for everything ICU does.

Some of the key points that have come out of the document show that if the new MoU is passed, then the union will become a department of the College. This will allow college policies in any area (e.g. finance, Senate, random committees, etc) to be binding on the Union, whereas at the moment ICU only has to answer directly to college council.

However some of the most disastrous proposed changes are the ability for college to gag student media. College will have ability to recall Felix, and to censor anything that they don’t like, with the decision of censorship resting with the College Secretary. This "Code of Practice on Defamation" will be run on a "guilty until proven innocent" system.

Live! has learnt that Senior union staff have expressed dismay that the union’s freedom will be lost to the College if this MoU goes through at council. Ironically it seems that most of the amendments may have come from a previous Union employee, who now works for the College.

Mustafa Arif, ICU President elect, told Live! "If this is true, then this is outrageous and should warrant a disciplinary investigation by the Council Chairman. When was the consultation period for these changes? Members of Council cannot be expected to agree to such significant changes to the MoU having seen the document only at the meeting."

The amended MOU will apparently be pushed through the next ICU council in June. Although it must be passed twice in a row by Union council, Sen Ganesh plans to push it through by claiming that it was looked at the last council which took place in the locked offices of ICU so not all members could attend. Despite this being very dodgy and in fact illegal, one has to wonder what has Sen got to gain from signing away the independence of the Union? - Maybe a job?

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The comments below are unmoderated submissions by Live! readers. The Editor accepts no liability for their content, nor for any offence caused by them. Any complaints should be directed to the Editor.
Jun 12 2003 13:01
 

Wouldn't the "Education (No.2) Act 1986 – Free speech" cover gagging of student media?

Mustafa, if you're reading this ... GET THE HELL ON WITH YOUR PROJECT.

2. Nia   
Jun 12 2003 13:06
 

Sorry I am so stupid but...

Which council? Union or college?

3. sam   
Jun 12 2003 13:22
 

ICU Council has to pass it, and i believe that is what Mr Arif is referring to.

4. mike   
Jun 12 2003 14:18
 

Surely with this article being published the saner members of ICU council will be aware of the issue and block any attempt by Mr. Ganesh and co. to push this through at the meeting in June.

Jun 12 2003 14:27
 

Who knows in this mad place?

6. tom t   
Jun 12 2003 15:33
 

My experience of council suggests otherwise. I expect that many members of Council will rally against the revised MoU, but oddly enough the vote will turn out to support it.

Funny that!

7. Nia   
Jun 12 2003 16:23
 

When's /where's this council?

Just checking - I as a random (ignorant and stupid as above comment proves) insignificant student can turn up and make objectioning noises (speak) but not vote - right?

Jun 12 2003 17:17
 

Power to the Council Chairman :)

...but I would say that

9.  
Jun 12 2003 17:26
 

Which council chairman (IC or ICU)? Question to both Mustafa and Rob.

10. Eddie   
Jun 12 2003 17:29
 

Nia, You are quite right, unlike other places all full members have speaking rights. this of course extends to all union committee meetings (except for the occasional closed meetings) so, please do turn up.

As you cannot vote you dont count towards quorum. thus everyone has a last resort, if they think council were pushing something, or allowing to push, and the meeting was not quorate, (in this case i believe it is less than 50% attending) then hollaring the word "Quorum" would stop the farce.

I think most members of council want a few changes to the constitution to go through, to tidy up. If someone is sugesting major changes, and not tidying up, then i do hope he comes a cropper.

Ed.

11. eddie   
Jun 12 2003 17:30
 

maybe an editor would like to tidy up my hashed link. if i sugest it then its not in anyeway censorship is it ;-)

12. Nia   
Jun 12 2003 17:34
 

Ed, you need a slash mate!

13. Editor   
Jun 12 2003 17:37
 

It was in fact a double slash Nia.

14. Ed.   
Jun 12 2003 17:37
 

(pedantically) 2 actually

15. Ed   
Jun 12 2003 17:40
 

oh, and whilst we are at it, is it intentional that you used a comma and not a dot in you email address Mr Editor?

16. Nia   
Jun 12 2003 17:42
 

Well yes, but it loses comic 'punch' of the double meaning if I say 'double slash'

17. J100   
Jun 12 2003 19:15
 

Doesn't making the union part of college half negate having it there in the first place? Surely the point of the union is to represent the students to college, as well as outside sources?

....... and also make the sabbaticals pointless? What's the point in electing a team of people to run the union if they still need to report back to someone who wasn't elected?

"Wouldn't the "Education (No.2) Act 1986 – Free speech" cover gagging of student media?" - not if college is directly funding it, would be my guess.

(How many people would need to be there for quorum to be attained? Half of council? Half of college?)

18. hmmm   
Jun 12 2003 19:27
 

It's interesting that the last meeting of ICU Council was inquorate when the MoU was last discussed (before the major amendments).

If what is suggested in the article happens, this will be a disgraceful abuse of the power entrusted by the students is the President and ICU Council. I hope Council sees sense and kicks this one in to touch.

I believe the next ICU Council meeting is being held in a college (MDH?), but I'm not 100% sure of that one. Anyone know more on this one?

19. Eddie   
Jun 12 2003 20:38
 

Maybe sen doesnt think the following is that important. but then again there is absolutly nothing going on at the union this term (well done on managing annother great IT project sen), it does appear on the live diary though, somehow i guess sen didnt put it there....

Anyway, here is the email at the end of my post. you could look on the council webpage for this year, but it is as ever out of date....

  • ----

Dear all,

Reminder that we have Council on Tuesday 17th June in the MAIN DINING HALL, Sherfield Building. Please invite your successors. Papers for Council Chair, RAG Chair, CAG Chair, Equal Opps Officer and Welfare Awareness Officer are up on the President's notice board.

All those that did not submit reports to the AGM should submit their annual report to this meeting of Council.

Cheers,

Sen.

Sen Ganesh

President, Imperial College Union

Beit Quadrangle, Prince Consort Road,

South Kensington, London SW7 2BB

Tel: 020 7594 8060 internal: x58061

Fax: 020 7594 8065 e-mail: .uk

20. Eddie   
Jun 12 2003 20:51
 

oh, look. there are some elections. oops i have told people. oh damn. maybe someone will stand. sorry.

anyway, a few words about quorum

according to a very useful, but now outof date part of the iCU website.

"The presence of half the committee’s voting members, vacant posts being ignored, constitute a quorum unless standing orders determine otherwise." there are about 50 members of council (asuming noone has forgotton to elect anyone)

it also points out that any full member can be saying the magic word.

Jun 12 2003 22:34
 

Is anyone else feeling this overwhelming sense that we are part of some greater plan? I mean, since I've been here, Sykes has done nothing but anger me, and I don't know the ins and outs of any of this stuff, but I know that nothing he's done has seemed to be for our benefit, and although his motives aren't clear to me at all, I can't help feeling that ultimately he's trying to crush everything that Imperial stands for and doesn't really care who he steps on and what he destroys along the way?

Jun 13 2003 07:41
 

There is an overarching plan. Don't stop anywhere. They're behind you!

Jun 14 2003 13:13
 

"The aims and objects of the Union shall be To advance the education of its members and promote, without prejudice, their welfare at all times."

Yes, the very first point of the constitution after the Union's name. Rather central to its aims, I would say. "Without Prejudice... except towards the wishes of the College authorities"? Just out of interest, how many students in 5 and 15% of the Union membership now?

Jun 15 2003 19:05
 

The ICU Council Chair(man)

Jun 16 2003 10:31
 

Shouldn't that be chair(person). We wouldn't want to imply that only a male could perform that job :-P

Jun 18 2003 16:11
 

Nite, Nite, Constitution....

ah well, never mind eh....

27. Sam   
Jun 20 2003 10:55
 

5-15% of the union runs at about 550 - 1650 people

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