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EU Expansion could cost UK Universities millions

May 04 2004 14:43
Nichola Hawkins
With the enlargement of the European Union, students from ten countries will swap from “Overseas” to “Home” fee classification, potentially resulting in lost revenue for Universities.
An expanding European Union... bringing some increasing costs

Friday’s Times Higher Education Supplement raised fears that UK Universities will face an unexpected reduction in income from the recent expansion of the European Union.

The Higher Education statistics Agency estimates that UK Institutions will lose £27 million a year from 3,400 undergraduates, but this would in reality be a relatively small proportion of the £1 billion taken annually from overseas students by UK Universities.

In fact, the next report from the Sutton Trust is to reveal an increase of 50% in the numbers of overseas students, compared to just 15% in home students, over the last six years. This suggests that University places must increase to a level above that predicted by the 50% participation target alone, since any new home student places may need to be accompanied by a place for a student who can be charged full fees.

At present, home students pay £1,000-£1,125 per year (although in many cases this is covered in full or in part by the government), and (according to the Rector) the College receives around £6,000 per home student from the Higher Education Funding Council for England (HEFCE). Overseas student fees at Imperial stand at £12,600 for all science and engineering subjects except Mathematics (£9,800), Chemistry (£13,400), Computing (£13,500) and Joint Mathematics and Computing (£13,500), meaning a loss to the College next year of £11,500 per Accession Countries student on most courses. However, the greatest difference between home and full fees is in the Faculty of Medicine: while pre-clinical students actually pay £1,250 less than pure biologists, overseas clinical medics pay over £20,000 a year, so the College will (for the next two years) receive £19,600 less from each such student.

Changes in 2006 will see the gap narrowing, but far less than Sir Richard may have liked, theoretically reducing the gap by nearly £2000 per student although it is possible that with the increase in fees income, some HEFCE money will be directed elsewhere.

However, this only covers overseas students following their full course at Imperial, since students on reciprocal exchange programmes are already exempt from Overseas levels of fees.

The THES article has suggested that nationally, only Cyprus is likely to represent a significant number of students. This seems to be reflected at Imperial, where the Cypriot Society currently has around 50 members. The only other accession State with official student societies at Imperial is Poland: this year, Polish Soc raised 14 members, and they estimate that only half of their members are actually overseas students, the others being second or third generation descendants of immigrants.

According to THES, of the ten newly-joined Accession Countries, only Cyprus sends more than 600 undergraduates to UK Universities in total per year. However, the possibility that more people in these countries will now take advantage of the reduced cost of studying in England cannot be overlooked, leaving College with the prospect of looking further afield to find enough full-fee-paying students to make up the shortfall in funds.

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1. Oli   
May 04 2004 20:00
 

Being a UCL student I wouldn't want to challenge an ICer at maths, but...

£12,600 is what the college now gets from accession country students.

They will become EU students, paying £1,125 plus the £6,000 from HEFCE.

£12,600

  • £6000
  • £1125

Meaning a loss of £5475, not £11,500 per student.

Just a thought

2. Oli   
May 04 2004 20:01
 

Those bullet points should be minuses (your stylesheet hates me)

May 04 2004 20:21
 

The style-sheet's not the only one.

£6000 is for home students. So your correction appears to have misfired in your face. Bad luck and stop abusing our library facilities.

4. Oli   
May 04 2004 22:13
 

Actually, HEFCE doesn't give a specific amount per student, it gives money based on needs for expenditure and broadly in line with the number of UK/EU students enrolled (no distinction made).

As for your library...

  • I have no reason to go to South Ken when we've got a bunch of very nice libraries here.
  • If I feel like it though, you have no right to stop me using yours.

In conclusion, your correction to my correction was incorrect.

Best of luck in your exams - you'll need it, judging from your performance here.

May 04 2004 23:09
 

Dear "Unimpressed II",

Young Olivier might be a UCL student but he was correct. HEFCE teaching grant funding covers EU students in the same as it covers UK students. (EU students are considered to be "home".)

Incidentally, if he really wanted to abuse a 24 hour library facility he would probably go to LSE as its much closer to UCL than IC. (LSE copied us after I tipped their SU Gen Sec off that we were going to get funding for our 24/7 opening.) In fact, when I brought the subject of other students possibly using the library up with the Head of Library Services this morning she said that only 30 non-IC students a year bothered to register for access to the IC library. So, even if all 30 are coming in every day, before "closing", and staying the night, they are unlikely to make much difference. If IC students are "lending" their swipe cards to other people that is a different matter and it is those IC students who are responsible for the abuse of our facilities. Even then, the numbers cannot be huge and can't be affecting any IC students. (Whilst the library is certainly busy during the night it's nowhere near capacity - we know because security are doing hourly headcounts to track usage.) Nevertheless, in case your concerns have any validity the library will be checking the swipe access logs to see if any of the 30 registered external users are coming in every night.

If you wish to be unpleasant to people and don't have the balls to reveal your identity, you could at least ensure you get your facts straight.

6. Oli   
May 04 2004 23:44
 

Thanks Mustafa, it's always nice to know that the union's on my side. Now if only my union was...

May 04 2004 23:50
 

I spend over 10hrs a day in the Central library so I have first hand knowledge of what is going on. YOU DON'T.

If you spent half the time I do in there you would understand my frustration at the fact that people are leaving bags and files overnight (as if they owned desk space), leaving crisp packets in bookshelves, and generally being antisocial. No wonder the staff have gotten so angry with the situation - to the extent that the whole 24hr experiment is under threat.

So defend that patronising UCL student all you like, but facts are facts and the facilities are being abused and misused.

May 05 2004 00:00
 

I was just having a pop at UCL - is there anything wrong with that? I think that's the right of every Imperial student.

May 05 2004 00:03
 

And one more thing.

This is cyberspace so don't get your knickers in a twist over 'unpleasantness'. It's nothing personal.

10. Chris   
May 05 2004 07:45
 

I was saying that it is full to capacity (with desk space) during the day but about a quater of the desk space being used does not have a person at it. Did you ask about that?

11. Jon   
May 05 2004 08:12
 

You seem to be somewhat unlucky with the library, personally I've managed to find a seat every time I've been in there irrespective of the time.

12. idris   
May 05 2004 18:50
 

does our dear pres have nothing better to do than indulge in idle discussions on bulletinboards?

i think we should be told.

May 06 2004 13:42
 

Maybe as it's exams season he has less whingers in and out of the office, which would surely free up a little time here and there?

May 06 2004 20:45
 

My experience - the library is at about 80% capacity during the day, however it just looks like its at 100% capacity as people don't like sitting next to other people, and some people spread out their various books and papers so they cover an entire desk. People seem to be "scared" to ask people to move over and stop taking up the whole desk, which I might add, are of substantial size.

During the night, the library is near 20-40% capacity though it varies at different times of the "night". There is a distinct problem of people leaving personal belongings overnight on desks so as to "resevere" them for the next day (a certain stereotype involving beachtowels comes to mind...) - which does to a certain extent work. You also have huge groups of people who enjoy congregating near me and talking very loudly when Iam trying to do some work on level 5 (a supposedly quiet level). The litter issue has got better since our esteemed president had some signs put up with new 24 hour library rules, however I would like to see larger bins - which (for the benefit of Unimpressed II) we did discuss a while ago outside the library at what must have been 3 in the morning when you were doing one of your random checks.

Theoretically speaking, what if security was just being lax about letting people in?

May 07 2004 13:29
 

I'm confused as to where the comments about the library originated. How does unimpressed know that the UCL student is using our library anyway? And what has it got to do with this article?

Whle on the subject of the library, I don't really understand why we need 24 hour access. I have never been there later than 22:00 anyway. Most people use the night to sleep. If one wants to work what's wrong with ones home/room/flat. An organised person should aready have appropriate text books and literature references if they did want to work during the night.

16. sunil   
May 10 2004 13:33
 

Some people have c**p or uncomfortable rooms. Others have noisy or unfriendly flatmates. Others still have to endure smelly flats. Plus some have too many temptations such as the Internet and TV at home. :)

17. amram   
May 11 2004 12:13
 

If people wish to work late in the library than they should be allowed to do so. In Oxbridge colleges it is the norm for libraries to be open 24 hrs a day. Although there still exists a bond of trust that is completely missing at IC- indeed at some oxbridge colleges students may check out their own books!

This is done mostly by a handwritten system!

A far far cry from IC's c**p- not functioning- machine where if your swipecard is older than 2 weeks you cannot get the laser to work....

May 11 2004 13:00
 

At MIT they have a coffee shop in their library too as well as the library being 24 hours. I guess the closest we'll get to that are the vending machines. They also have beds too, so you can nap should you not want to work all night. MIT of Europe my12**3.

May 11 2004 13:01
 

12**3

20. KL   
May 12 2004 09:05
 

And MIT has world class geniuses (who happen to be geeks). We don’t. So I suppose they deserve beds in libraries (who else would want to sleep in a library?).

May 12 2004 10:35
 

Some of us like to <i>think</i> in bed.

May 12 2004 10:36
 

Hmm. My clear and distinct thought clearly doesn't extend to when and where to use HTML...

23. ass   
May 12 2004 14:14
 

ass

May 14 2004 02:22
 

Amran is quite right. All College libraries should be open 24 hours per day. Students should take the books away if they wish and any book a student wants should be bought immediately no matter what the cost. My library closes at 10 in the evening but it does have an awful lot of books.

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